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	<title>Comments on: New Kansas test scores not good news</title>
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		<title>By: One-third of students are at grade level &#171; Kansas Education: Public Policy in Kansas and Elsewhere</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/new-kansas-test-scores-not-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-67124</link>
		<dc:creator>One-third of students are at grade level &#171; Kansas Education: Public Policy in Kansas and Elsewhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some comments I recently left at Wichita Liberty about this subject. The state NAEP results gives a scale score, which is a number . It also gives [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John LaPlante</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/new-kansas-test-scores-not-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-66624</link>
		<dc:creator>John LaPlante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state NAEP results gives a scale score, which is a number . It also gives the percentage of students who are proficient.

Consider a classroom in which the average score is a B, which the teacher gives to students who score 80 to 89 percent correct. In one year, the average raw score is 83, and in the next, it&#039;s 88. In both years, the letter grade is the same: B. 

NCES, a unit of the U.S. Department of Education, has historical data for the national test as well as for states. It looks like Ed has made it more difficult than it was in the past to find the information. 

1. Go to this link: http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/ 
2. Click on &quot;Accessible version&quot; 
3. From the drop-down menu box labeled &quot;Select a State,&quot; choose Kansas.

Or you can go here (http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/assessments-through-the-years/) and download a one-page PDF, which contains the same information.

To summarize:

The percentage of fourth-grade students scoring &quot;proficient&quot; increased a lot from 2000 to 2003, and slightly after that. Eighth-grade scores have showed some improvement, too, though not as much.

Reading scores have barely moved (grade 4) and may have slightly declined (grade 8).

About one-third of students are proficient (grade level) in reading. 

About  half are proficient in fourth grade, but that drops to only a third in the eighth grade.

Certainly nothing too impressive, overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state NAEP results gives a scale score, which is a number . It also gives the percentage of students who are proficient.</p>
<p>Consider a classroom in which the average score is a B, which the teacher gives to students who score 80 to 89 percent correct. In one year, the average raw score is 83, and in the next, it&#8217;s 88. In both years, the letter grade is the same: B. </p>
<p>NCES, a unit of the U.S. Department of Education, has historical data for the national test as well as for states. It looks like Ed has made it more difficult than it was in the past to find the information. </p>
<p>1. Go to this link: <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/" rel="nofollow">http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/</a><br />
2. Click on &#8220;Accessible version&#8221;<br />
3. From the drop-down menu box labeled &#8220;Select a State,&#8221; choose Kansas.</p>
<p>Or you can go here (<a href="http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/assessments-through-the-years/" rel="nofollow">http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/assessments-through-the-years/</a>) and download a one-page PDF, which contains the same information.</p>
<p>To summarize:</p>
<p>The percentage of fourth-grade students scoring &#8220;proficient&#8221; increased a lot from 2000 to 2003, and slightly after that. Eighth-grade scores have showed some improvement, too, though not as much.</p>
<p>Reading scores have barely moved (grade 4) and may have slightly declined (grade 8).</p>
<p>About one-third of students are proficient (grade level) in reading. </p>
<p>About  half are proficient in fourth grade, but that drops to only a third in the eighth grade.</p>
<p>Certainly nothing too impressive, overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is missing in this discussion is what exactly do they need more money for? What is it that is not being provided. 

I had a son with special education needs. There was never an arbituary figure thrown out on what they needed to spend on him. They first determined exactly what he needed. 

I taught math. I can tell what is needed: a classroom with heat and electricity, a chalkboard with chalk, textbooks printed before 1980, and someone with a math degree (not a math ed degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is missing in this discussion is what exactly do they need more money for? What is it that is not being provided. </p>
<p>I had a son with special education needs. There was never an arbituary figure thrown out on what they needed to spend on him. They first determined exactly what he needed. </p>
<p>I taught math. I can tell what is needed: a classroom with heat and electricity, a chalkboard with chalk, textbooks printed before 1980, and someone with a math degree (not a math ed degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/new-kansas-test-scores-not-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-66182</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the education intellectuals place more weight on liberal arts than on life skills or the sciences...we will continue our decline in world-wide competitiveness.  Proof positive:  a higher percentage of young adults now have a college degree than ever before in our nations history - basically devaluing said degree.  Their reward is educational mediocrity and a large school loan hanging over their heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the education intellectuals place more weight on liberal arts than on life skills or the sciences&#8230;we will continue our decline in world-wide competitiveness.  Proof positive:  a higher percentage of young adults now have a college degree than ever before in our nations history &#8211; basically devaluing said degree.  Their reward is educational mediocrity and a large school loan hanging over their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is Bob provided the raw data and in each case listed above, scores went in the same direction as proficiency. Perhaps you have some data to back up the claim that one can go up and the other down?

Even in that unlikely case, it would be further evidence of stagnant scores as proficiency couldn&#039;t skyrocket without scores also increasing.

So while unlikely hypotheticals are interesting, they serve only to detract from the real issue identified here; test scores remain stagnant at best (lower at worst), even with billions more being spent on education in the past decade.

Where&#039;s all the money gone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is Bob provided the raw data and in each case listed above, scores went in the same direction as proficiency. Perhaps you have some data to back up the claim that one can go up and the other down?</p>
<p>Even in that unlikely case, it would be further evidence of stagnant scores as proficiency couldn&#8217;t skyrocket without scores also increasing.</p>
<p>So while unlikely hypotheticals are interesting, they serve only to detract from the real issue identified here; test scores remain stagnant at best (lower at worst), even with billions more being spent on education in the past decade.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s all the money gone?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reported the raw scores along with the percent proficient.

Also, what is your basis for believing that the bar is raised every year? The overview of the NAEP states: &quot;The assessment stays essentially the same from year to year, with only carefully documented changes. This permits NAEP to provide a clear picture of student academic progress over time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reported the raw scores along with the percent proficient.</p>
<p>Also, what is your basis for believing that the bar is raised every year? The overview of the NAEP states: &#8220;The assessment stays essentially the same from year to year, with only carefully documented changes. This permits NAEP to provide a clear picture of student academic progress over time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Wilheim</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/new-kansas-test-scores-not-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-66131</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Wilheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re comparing apples to oranges. The percentage of those found proficient is not the same as the scores on the tests going up or down. You could have fewer people deemed proficient but the average score could rise. Also, remember that on the NAEP tests, the bar is raised every year.  So comparing one year to the other is less useful than you might think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re comparing apples to oranges. The percentage of those found proficient is not the same as the scores on the tests going up or down. You could have fewer people deemed proficient but the average score could rise. Also, remember that on the NAEP tests, the bar is raised every year.  So comparing one year to the other is less useful than you might think.</p>
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