Comments on: Kansas teachers union makes it easy to ask for money http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/ Individual liberty, limited government, and free markets in Wichita and Kansas Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:47:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Just Curious http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-69453 Just Curious Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:50:34 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-69453 Of course, no one can complain or act against school spending. The implication put out there is that if you do, then you don't care about kids. Yet another effective use of The Adelphi Technique, 'divide and conquer.' Schools are so very good at it. They even said when they filed this second lawsuit, "we're doing it for the kids." I, for one, am not buying that. Of course, no one can complain or act against school spending. The implication put out there is that if you do, then you don’t care about kids. Yet another effective use of The Adelphi Technique, ‘divide and conquer.’ Schools are so very good at it. They even said when they filed this second lawsuit, “we’re doing it for the kids.” I, for one, am not buying that.

]]> By: Wichitator http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68984 Wichitator Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:02:49 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68984 Kansas spends about 51% of its state General Fund for k-12 according to Kansas Fiscal Facts published by KS Legislative Research. That's about 1/2 of $5.5 billion this year for about 445k students. Do the math on average per pupil spending by just the state. Then add in the local property tax funds as well as federal tax funds that some KS school districts still keep off their books. Kansas Policy Institute has some excellent research showing that the total k12 spending now averages $12,000 per pupil per year. This figure rapidly grew after the 2005 school finance lawsuit. The government school establishment from the KNEA to the KS Assoc. of School Bds. and their ~270 school district members have an infinite amount of tax funds to lobby and file lawsuits but they keep sending begging bowls home with my daughters to try and raise even more money that actually makes it to the classroom. It is a disgrace the way the government school establishment performs in this state. Kansas spends about 51% of its state General Fund for k-12 according to Kansas Fiscal Facts published by KS Legislative Research. That’s about 1/2 of $5.5 billion this year for about 445k students. Do the math on average per pupil spending by just the state.

Then add in the local property tax funds as well as federal tax funds that some KS school districts still keep off their books. Kansas Policy Institute has some excellent research showing that the total k12 spending now averages $12,000 per pupil per year. This figure rapidly grew after the 2005 school finance lawsuit. The government school establishment from the KNEA to the KS Assoc. of School Bds. and their ~270 school district members have an infinite amount of tax funds to lobby and file lawsuits but they keep sending begging bowls home with my daughters to try and raise even more money that actually makes it to the classroom. It is a disgrace the way the government school establishment performs in this state.

]]> By: Just Curious http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68734 Just Curious Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:09:53 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68734 At our towns school with an enrollment of 95 kids, the cost per pupil is $19,687. http://www.ksde.org/Portals/0/School%20Finance/budget/Budget_at_a_Glance/09-10_Summary/Profile314-2010.pdf In one year's time, 'disabled children' increased from 13% to 20% and the funding for special education increased 77%. see School Report Card on left of page at http://www.usd314.k12.ks.us/ I don't see any kids around that I would think of as disabled, but what do I know? I don't have no education degree. At our towns school with an enrollment of 95 kids, the cost per pupil is $19,687.
http://www.ksde.org/Portals/0/School%20Finance/budget/Budget_at_a_Glance/09-10_Summary/Profile314-2010.pdf

In one year’s time, ‘disabled children’ increased from 13% to 20% and the funding for special education increased 77%. see School Report Card on left of page at http://www.usd314.k12.ks.us/

I don’t see any kids around that I would think of as disabled, but what do I know? I don’t have no education degree.

]]> By: Dismal Scientist http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68725 Dismal Scientist Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:46:04 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68725 Privatize, privatize, privatize! Ashland is moving in that direction and Wichita will also have to as the economy get worse (and it will, alot worse) and tax revenues continue to shrink. Private schools educate children better and it costs less that public (government) schools! I send my child to the Independent School in Wichita; $7,000 per year. The average per pupil spending in Wichita; estimates vary from $10,000-25,000. Spending more does not mean our children are getting a better education! Privatize, privatize, privatize! Ashland is moving in that direction and Wichita will also have to as the economy get worse (and it will, alot worse) and tax revenues continue to shrink. Private schools educate children better and it costs less that public (government) schools! I send my child to the Independent School in Wichita; $7,000 per year. The average per pupil spending in Wichita; estimates vary from $10,000-25,000. Spending more does not mean our children are getting a better education!

]]> By: ZSLawrence http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68713 ZSLawrence Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:02:31 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68713 @KipSchroeder - I must respectfully disagree with your assessment. While the natural social interactions and real-world opportunities available to children may have sufficed in ages past, requirements for modern occupations, sustainable productivity, and leadership in an information-and-innovation economy require a rational education that teaches complex thinking and skill development that is most certainly not "natural". The question is not whether or not children need these educational experiences, but how well public schools can and do provide them (not particularly well in most cases). The answer is the innovation in education provided by research-based practice applied in small, flexible, and capably-led autonomous schools, and the public education establishment has never done this well and shows no sign of trying. @KipSchroeder – I must respectfully disagree with your assessment. While the natural social interactions and real-world opportunities available to children may have sufficed in ages past, requirements for modern occupations, sustainable productivity, and leadership in an information-and-innovation economy require a rational education that teaches complex thinking and skill development that is most certainly not “natural”. The question is not whether or not children need these educational experiences, but how well public schools can and do provide them (not particularly well in most cases). The answer is the innovation in education provided by research-based practice applied in small, flexible, and capably-led autonomous schools, and the public education establishment has never done this well and shows no sign of trying.

]]> By: Pat http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68682 Pat Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:46:06 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68682 There is considerable debate about the quality of our education when compared to the rest of the world that gets lost in the financial discussions. The US economic advantage is very dependent upon its ingenuity and the education of its citizens. http://4brevard.com/choice/international-test-scores.htm http://www.air.org/news/pr/8thGrader.aspx There is considerable debate about the quality of our education when compared to the rest of the world that gets lost in the financial discussions. The US economic advantage is very dependent upon its ingenuity and the education of its citizens.

http://4brevard.com/choice/international-test-scores.htm

http://www.air.org/news/pr/8thGrader.aspx

]]> By: KipSchroeder http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68544 KipSchroeder Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:40:26 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68544 bman, you're very fortunate to be in Ashland. It appears you have a school board that is grounded in reality. I'm especially encouraged to hear of the administrative cuts. In truth, our children need less time in school...not more. Cutting back to four days of school is actually a gift for the students and for the community. Our current system is doing a fine job "schooling" our children; whereas real education comes from the daily interactions of life. Perhaps Wichita will look to your community's progress. bman, you’re very fortunate to be in Ashland. It appears you have a school board that is grounded in reality. I’m especially encouraged to hear of the administrative cuts. In truth, our children need less time in school…not more. Cutting back to four days of school is actually a gift for the students and for the community. Our current system is doing a fine job “schooling” our children; whereas real education comes from the daily interactions of life. Perhaps Wichita will look to your community’s progress.

]]> By: LonnythePlumber http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68520 LonnythePlumber Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:15:40 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68520 In Wichita the school had 500 positions to fill and they only filled 300 of them. It's more of a revenue replacement instead of an increase. It's to replace what was given away in exemptions and cuts. In Wichita the school had 500 positions to fill and they only filled 300 of them. It’s more of a revenue replacement instead of an increase. It’s to replace what was given away in exemptions and cuts.

]]> By: bman http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68479 bman Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:27:39 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68479 Don't know what is going on in the rest of the state, but here in Ashland the school has let go all the para's, cut administrative staff, gone to a four day school week, and it is all pay to play in sports. Don’t know what is going on in the rest of the state, but here in Ashland the school has let go all the para’s, cut administrative staff, gone to a four day school week, and it is all pay to play in sports.

]]> By: Larry Weber http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-kansas-schools/kansas-teachers-union-makes-it-easy-to-ask-for-money/comment-page-1/#comment-68477 Larry Weber Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:12:00 +0000 http://wichitaliberty.org/?p=7795#comment-68477 Bob, I just read the house bill 2475 and maybe I missed it but can you tell me where it assures that the extra tax will specifically go to the items you mentioned. I see comments about portions going to the highway fund (but not sure if that means it will be used for actual highway building, salaries or what). Thank you in advance for the information. Larry Bob,
I just read the house bill 2475 and maybe I missed it but can you tell me where it assures that the extra tax will specifically go to the items you mentioned. I see comments about portions going to the highway fund (but not sure if that means it will be used for actual highway building, salaries or what).
Thank you in advance for the information.
Larry

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