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	<title>Comments on: Mark Gietzen should be compensated by Wichita</title>
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		<title>By: T. Rex</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-264603</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark S. Gietzen is just a looter going after a corporation that provides wealth and opportunity for its owners and employees. This is just an attempt to use government to go after a corporation that was simply doing what it was contracted to do. Mr. Gietzen should be quiet and be thankful that he lives in America! How dare he go after a business like this. Just another socialist using the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark S. Gietzen is just a looter going after a corporation that provides wealth and opportunity for its owners and employees. This is just an attempt to use government to go after a corporation that was simply doing what it was contracted to do. Mr. Gietzen should be quiet and be thankful that he lives in America! How dare he go after a business like this. Just another socialist using the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-264462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 07:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like Gietzen gets what&#039;s in the contract. any news here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like Gietzen gets what&#8217;s in the contract. any news here?</p>
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		<title>By: Justice Denied Homeowners Damaged by Bridge Projects</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice Denied Homeowners Damaged by Bridge Projects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] citizens’ rights and responsible government in his writing at Wichita’s Voice for Liberty, commented on Gietzen’s situation. “For the City of Wichita to hide behind contracts that shield it from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] citizens’ rights and responsible government in his writing at Wichita’s Voice for Liberty, commented on Gietzen’s situation. “For the City of Wichita to hide behind contracts that shield it from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-66366</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, went back and watched the video of today&#039;s meeting. Is it possible to sue the contractor for negligence as a tort claim not as an insurance claim?  Get an attorney who might take it on a contingency. Suggest Terry Malone who knows construction. Also the project inspectors should have daily reports that will indicate the type of piles and the installation methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, went back and watched the video of today&#8217;s meeting. Is it possible to sue the contractor for negligence as a tort claim not as an insurance claim?  Get an attorney who might take it on a contingency. Suggest Terry Malone who knows construction. Also the project inspectors should have daily reports that will indicate the type of piles and the installation methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-66335</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mark for the information and providing the factual circumstances.  Obviously, it was upon reliance of the city&#039;s representations that you would be made whole that work was allowed to proceed.  As such, then the city should be and would be responsible.  I&#039;m sure your legal counsel has given you the pros and cons of initiating legal action directly against the city and the likelihood of prevailing in such action.   Furthermore, I&#039;m sure because of the time that has transpired other potential options are no longer available.  The city apparently did nothing to protect you under the terms and framework of the construction contract.  Perhaps the city was also negligent in its administration of the contract, meaning they failed to hold retainage until you were made whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark for the information and providing the factual circumstances.  Obviously, it was upon reliance of the city&#8217;s representations that you would be made whole that work was allowed to proceed.  As such, then the city should be and would be responsible.  I&#8217;m sure your legal counsel has given you the pros and cons of initiating legal action directly against the city and the likelihood of prevailing in such action.   Furthermore, I&#8217;m sure because of the time that has transpired other potential options are no longer available.  The city apparently did nothing to protect you under the terms and framework of the construction contract.  Perhaps the city was also negligent in its administration of the contract, meaning they failed to hold retainage until you were made whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaniec</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-66298</link>
		<dc:creator>Joaniec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat , you are 100% correct...the right thing to do is for the city to hold Dondlinger responsible.  That was my intended implication in my earlier comment....hoping that Mayor Brewer would step up and exert some pressure on Dondlinger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat , you are 100% correct&#8230;the right thing to do is for the city to hold Dondlinger responsible.  That was my intended implication in my earlier comment&#8230;.hoping that Mayor Brewer would step up and exert some pressure on Dondlinger.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S. Gietzen</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-66290</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S. Gietzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Pat, who left a post at 2010-Jan-04, AM 11:28

The City of Wichita does have a legal obligation, because I would have stopped the damage from occurring, when it first started to happen.
In fact, I did stop the project for a few hours at the very beginning of the project.
I work out of my home, and realized immediately that having objects shaken off shelves, and dropping to the floor, was not only bad for the breakable objects, but was also bad for the entire structure of my house!
I allowed the project to continue, only upon the personal assurance, by Mayor Bob Knight, that all of the damage would be fully repaired when the project was finished.  This was weeks prior to the major damage happening, with the pile-driving operations of the main bridge beams.
However, I agree with you completely about the taxpayer&#039;s responsibility!
You, and I, and all taxpayers paid Dondlinger to do the job to industry standards.   I assume that any competing bidder would have bid the project to &quot;industry standards&quot;.
However, instead of drilling a hole for each bridge pile, and then inserting the pile, and filling the hole with concrete... as Dondlinger should have done, and was paid to do, they recklessly choose to pound the piles directly into the ground without any drilling whatsoever.  This method saved Dondlinger tons of money, far more money than the entire cost of all four homes in question.
However, all that money saved by doing a short-cut method, has stayed in Dondlinger’s pocket, while us four homeowners have paid the price for Dondlinger&#039;s huge savings.
I agree with you, that it should not be the taxpayers who pay again, because Dondlinger was paid in full for the job.  They were paid 100% as if they had done the job 100% to industry standards.
The root of the problem is that the City Attorney, Gary Rebenstorf, failed to put any time limit whatsoever on &quot;when&quot; Dondlinger would have to make the repairs to the damaged homes.
The Court agrees with me, that Dondlinger must make the repairs, however, that could be 100 years from now, or even 2000 years from now, and that would still be well within the boundaries of Gary Rebenstorf&#039;s Contract with Dondlinger.
I went to Court, specifically asking the Court to compel Dondlinger to repair the damages at a given date, wanting the Court to set a reasonable date.
However, Dondlinger sued me, for asking for something that the City of Wichita contract does not require, i.e. a &quot;time certain&quot;, when the repairs would be done.
I ended up having to pay Dondlinger a sanction award of $225.00 because of the poor wording in the City of Wichita Contract, and The Court does not have the authority to write a new provision into a signed contract.
Also, you should know that my own insurance company was excused from the case, because they argued in court, that the $97,000 in damage, as given in the Netco estimate, (which is less than what they would have estimated the damages to be) was ALL caused by an intentional act on the part of Dondlinger Construction Company to save money.  This is not a covered peril under my policy.  (I agreed with the Court on that one.)
Finally, a citizen does not have the legal right to sue the insurance company of a contractor.  In this case, Traveler&#039;s Insurance Company is responsible only to Dondlinger, because Dondlinger pays the premium.
My only option is to sue Dondlinger, but thanks to Gary Rebenstorf, Dondlinger can wait for all eternity to make the repairs, and still be in compliance with Rebenstorf&#039;s poorly-written contract.
What did we four homeowners do to deserve this?
What would you do next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Pat, who left a post at 2010-Jan-04, AM 11:28</p>
<p>The City of Wichita does have a legal obligation, because I would have stopped the damage from occurring, when it first started to happen.<br />
In fact, I did stop the project for a few hours at the very beginning of the project.<br />
I work out of my home, and realized immediately that having objects shaken off shelves, and dropping to the floor, was not only bad for the breakable objects, but was also bad for the entire structure of my house!<br />
I allowed the project to continue, only upon the personal assurance, by Mayor Bob Knight, that all of the damage would be fully repaired when the project was finished.  This was weeks prior to the major damage happening, with the pile-driving operations of the main bridge beams.<br />
However, I agree with you completely about the taxpayer&#8217;s responsibility!<br />
You, and I, and all taxpayers paid Dondlinger to do the job to industry standards.   I assume that any competing bidder would have bid the project to &#8220;industry standards&#8221;.<br />
However, instead of drilling a hole for each bridge pile, and then inserting the pile, and filling the hole with concrete&#8230; as Dondlinger should have done, and was paid to do, they recklessly choose to pound the piles directly into the ground without any drilling whatsoever.  This method saved Dondlinger tons of money, far more money than the entire cost of all four homes in question.<br />
However, all that money saved by doing a short-cut method, has stayed in Dondlinger’s pocket, while us four homeowners have paid the price for Dondlinger&#8217;s huge savings.<br />
I agree with you, that it should not be the taxpayers who pay again, because Dondlinger was paid in full for the job.  They were paid 100% as if they had done the job 100% to industry standards.<br />
The root of the problem is that the City Attorney, Gary Rebenstorf, failed to put any time limit whatsoever on &#8220;when&#8221; Dondlinger would have to make the repairs to the damaged homes.<br />
The Court agrees with me, that Dondlinger must make the repairs, however, that could be 100 years from now, or even 2000 years from now, and that would still be well within the boundaries of Gary Rebenstorf&#8217;s Contract with Dondlinger.<br />
I went to Court, specifically asking the Court to compel Dondlinger to repair the damages at a given date, wanting the Court to set a reasonable date.<br />
However, Dondlinger sued me, for asking for something that the City of Wichita contract does not require, i.e. a &#8220;time certain&#8221;, when the repairs would be done.<br />
I ended up having to pay Dondlinger a sanction award of $225.00 because of the poor wording in the City of Wichita Contract, and The Court does not have the authority to write a new provision into a signed contract.<br />
Also, you should know that my own insurance company was excused from the case, because they argued in court, that the $97,000 in damage, as given in the Netco estimate, (which is less than what they would have estimated the damages to be) was ALL caused by an intentional act on the part of Dondlinger Construction Company to save money.  This is not a covered peril under my policy.  (I agreed with the Court on that one.)<br />
Finally, a citizen does not have the legal right to sue the insurance company of a contractor.  In this case, Traveler&#8217;s Insurance Company is responsible only to Dondlinger, because Dondlinger pays the premium.<br />
My only option is to sue Dondlinger, but thanks to Gary Rebenstorf, Dondlinger can wait for all eternity to make the repairs, and still be in compliance with Rebenstorf&#8217;s poorly-written contract.<br />
What did we four homeowners do to deserve this?<br />
What would you do next?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://wichitaliberty.org/wichita-government/mark-gietzen-should-be-compensated-by-wichita/comment-page-1/#comment-66256</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh C&#039;mon. My opinion has nothing to do with Geitzen and his political views nor does the matter of whether or not Geitzen is entitled to any monies. The blog doesn&#039;t even cover all the disputed facts that were stated during the presentation to the council or the factual information concerning the incident. It just goes on to make some ridiculous implication that it has to do with Geitzen&#039;s political views.  

Contractors who contract with the city are to provide general liability insurance and also builder&#039;s risk insurance.  The only thing that the city needs to do, which would be THE RIGHT THING TO DO, is to pressure Dondlinger to settle this matter or be disqualified from bidding future city work.

When I read your ridiculous comments, I am reminded of a favorite quote, &quot;Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh C&#8217;mon. My opinion has nothing to do with Geitzen and his political views nor does the matter of whether or not Geitzen is entitled to any monies. The blog doesn&#8217;t even cover all the disputed facts that were stated during the presentation to the council or the factual information concerning the incident. It just goes on to make some ridiculous implication that it has to do with Geitzen&#8217;s political views.  </p>
<p>Contractors who contract with the city are to provide general liability insurance and also builder&#8217;s risk insurance.  The only thing that the city needs to do, which would be THE RIGHT THING TO DO, is to pressure Dondlinger to settle this matter or be disqualified from bidding future city work.</p>
<p>When I read your ridiculous comments, I am reminded of a favorite quote, &#8220;Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat needs to remember that we still have the right to FREE SPEECH!  Gietzen is being punished because he is a leader in the PRO-LIFE movement and a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN.  Mayor Brewer is a PRO-CHOICE DEMOCRAT.  It is no more complicated than that.  Kudos to Mayor Knight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat needs to remember that we still have the right to FREE SPEECH!  Gietzen is being punished because he is a leader in the PRO-LIFE movement and a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN.  Mayor Brewer is a PRO-CHOICE DEMOCRAT.  It is no more complicated than that.  Kudos to Mayor Knight.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaniec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joaniec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on Dondlinger Construction.
Shame on the City of Wichita and shame on Pat, whoever you are.
Kudos to former Mayor Knight for standing up 

&quot;no legal or contractual obligation...&quot;  what about just doing the right thing. 
I doubt Mr. Gietzen caused the damage to his house...just as I am sure his neighbors did not damage their house.
I hope Mayor Brewer will take a stand here and help a citizen that has been wronged.  This is outrageous. Where is the ethical principle of our city?
And Pat, your slam against bloggers was unwarranted.
The Eagle biases its reporting daily.......what does Mr Gietzen&#039;s &#039;anti- abortion activism&#039; have to do with the damage to his home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on Dondlinger Construction.<br />
Shame on the City of Wichita and shame on Pat, whoever you are.<br />
Kudos to former Mayor Knight for standing up </p>
<p>&#8220;no legal or contractual obligation&#8230;&#8221;  what about just doing the right thing.<br />
I doubt Mr. Gietzen caused the damage to his house&#8230;just as I am sure his neighbors did not damage their house.<br />
I hope Mayor Brewer will take a stand here and help a citizen that has been wronged.  This is outrageous. Where is the ethical principle of our city?<br />
And Pat, your slam against bloggers was unwarranted.<br />
The Eagle biases its reporting daily&#8230;&#8230;.what does Mr Gietzen&#8217;s &#8216;anti- abortion activism&#8217; have to do with the damage to his home.</p>
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